A recent expose by GMA-7’s Imbestigador unveils the alleged illegal operation of a gay hangout place where “Live Shows” are shown, and features a “Dark Room” for the patrons to do anything their libidos dictate.
Watch… then share your comments.
The questions bugging my mind:
Are the patrons at fault? Do they deserve the criminal treatment?
(Naawa ako nung pinanood ko yung video… Dapat nga ba silang kaawaan?)
What do you think of patronizing such establishment?
Is Danton Remoto right in saying that “it is not a healthy way of expressing your sexuality”?
[Videos after the jump.]
IMBESTIGADOR: GAY LIVE SHOW part 1
IMBESTIGADOR: GAY LIVE SHOW part 2
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nakakaawa actually. people love to discriminate PLUs. bakit kapag ginawa sa public ba mas masagwa di ba? pero nilalagy na nga sa lugar… binabato nyo pa rin… tignan niyo nga sarili nyo na “straight” kung magwala kahit saan.. hay, what a wonderful world. tama na ang pagmamalinis ng mga straight. peace out.
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Bakit ako maniniwala kay Mike Enriquez?
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Nakaklungkot naman….. ang mga pangyayari…!!! buti n lang wala ako dun…..!!! san kya meron p? para masaya!!!
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Sana legal n lng para ok di b!!!
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it’s a sleazy setup, plain and simple. i agree with danton. the owner victimized gay parokyanos who didnt know any better. how so? he failed to obtain the necessary licenses, thus exposing the clientele to the threat of embarrassing raids. i dont know much about “healthy” expressions of sexuality, but i know sleaze when i see it. in this case, gma-7, the house operator and the clients are wallowing in it!
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It looks like PLU’s were betrayed by one of our own. Same old tricks to boost ratings. So friends be warned and be more cautious. I couldn’t imagine to be forced to come out, out of this incidence.
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The whole entrapment operation using marked money was ridiculous. So what if they were holding live sex shows in a private house?
I don’t agree with Danton Remoto that they should be shut down just because the owner of the house doesn’t pay taxes or have a license to operate a gay bar in his house. And I also don’t agree that it’s not a healthy way of expressing their sexuality.
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What a terrible way of being outed: imagine the humiliation those closeted patrons are being subjected to.
I can’t really decide if I agree with Remoto’s statement. Like it or not, the Philippines is still not a gay-friendly place and whatever ‘healthy’ means of expressing one’s sexuality (in this case, being gay) may just be interpreted by commonfolk as ‘kababuyan.’
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Bakit kaya ang hilig ng Imbestigador sa ganitong expose? Kung tutuusin, para lang din namang Christmas or Acquaintance Party sa schools ang private residence na ‘yun, ‘di ba? Kahit ano, pwedeng payagan ng may-ari, pwede ring maningil ng fee para sa mga kakailanganin (maintenance ng place, supplies, etc). Ang acquaintance, Christmas, JS Prom at kung anu-ano pang parties sa school ay naniningil din ng fees. Puwede ring kumuha ng band ang school para may mag-play o mag-perform sa party at siyempre, may bayad ‘yon. Ang nangyari sa private residence ay halos katulad lang ng ordinaryong private parties pero for adults only nga lang. Kung binayaran ng may-ari ang performers, pareho lang ‘yun sa pagkuha ng mga banda sa school parties. Kailangan din ba ng license ng school para sa parties? Ang school mismo may license dahil business ‘yon pero kailangan pa ba ng license ng isang bahay? Am I making any sense? Masyado lang kasing makikitid ang utak ng mga taong hindi makaunawa sa gan’ong gawain dahil hindi nila tanggap kaya nila kinokondena. Itinatago na nga sa publiko ang party para hindi batikusin pero ano’ng nangyari? Nakakaawa tuloy ang mga customers at sila pa ang naging biktima ng mga mapagsamantalang tao.
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I did not like the thought of Imbestigador doing a story on it. It makes one question the motives on doing and running it. Imbestigador is a News and Public Affairs program… I guess their aim should show stories that affect the public’s safety, not just the public’s interest. In this case, i dont think the people in that house caused any harm to others. It definitely was a too sensitive story to be shown. To me, it was a story about how a news and public affairs show can unnecessarily publicly shame a group of people who are already facing everyday shame and ridicule.
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darkstar replied:
December 27th, 2008 at 6:00 am
hands down to what broken_heart said
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i couldn’t agree less
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Basta illegal,wala na silang magagawa.Kailan ba naging tama sa mga mata ng lipunan ang mga gawain ng mga bading.
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i agree with Danton. it is all about human exploitation. if the performers don’t have the dire need for money they will never entertain the idea of selling themselves. ask the patrons if they are welling to sell their bodies for money to the detriment of their self-esteem, self-respect and self-worth. just because it is a free society doesn’t mean anything goes. society has learned about respecting human dignity since the days of Caligula. ask yourself - do you dignify yourself and others or do you denigrate?
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its illegal, tapos!!! ang problema, halos lahat naman sa pilipinas illegal!
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tarot: who is responsible for these people’s dire need for money though? is it not the corrupt monkeys who run our government? if the government were proper, humane and truly caring for the citizens who brought them to power, then these people wouldn’t have a “dire need for money”! IMAGINE THAT, were it not for this “job” which you consider “degrading” they wouldn’t be able to make money at all, and who would be responsible for them.. the government! Don’t make me laugh, this shallow definition of morality that even gay people are susceptible to stoop down to is part of the reason why this country is a banana republic.
Why worry about corruption, about idiots in government stealing money from the people, about journalist killings. No, let’s not worry about those minor, immaterial things, let’s worry about the depravity of gays taking advantage of poor straight people! That’s right, blame the gays for the dire poverty the citizens of the philippines are forced to endure! The logic here, is astounding.
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I agree with Danton. Kaya dapat di na nag-charge ang home-owner, free entrance and show na lang. Private residence, private party, free orgy! Lol!
But seriously, whether or not it’s a healthy way to explore your sexuality is subjective and i think Danton was just expressing his own opinion. I personally don’t like going to places like that, but some friends do and i respect that. We all have our own preferences when it comes to practicing our sexuality, i guess the most important thing is to practice it within what the law allows. In this case, it’s really the bar owner’s fault, and his poor clients were just at the wrong place, at the wrong time.
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I cannot understand why the patrons should be humiliated as well. Dapat yung owner na lang na hindi nagbabayad ng taxes ang diniin dun sa raid.
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i agree with Danton!
how can we uplift our condition if we keep on doing such thing,let’s make it private and intimate,without any legal impediments!
kabaklaan na nga,illegal pa!
redundant:(
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how can we uplift our condition if we keep on doing such thing,let’s make it private and intimate,without any legal impediments!
kabaklaan na nga,illegal pa!
redundant:(
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If they are of legal age and the viewers are of legal age why wont we let them be? Are they harming other people? No. Are they any different from politicians and straight people going to Strip bars or hiring prostitutes? No. Let’s not be hypocrites.
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ang batas ay batas, para ito sa lahat… kung gusto natin ng acceptance, nararapat lang na ipakita na karapat dapat tayong igalang…
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that’s sad…
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guys, i agree with Danton. we can’t make sleazy and offensive acts legal simply because a lot of people are doing it. i’m sorry if you don’t agree with me but i still prefer privacy when it comes to sex. but hey, if you want to be in a place where it is legal and not against public norms, there’s always the Netherlands.
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I’ve never been to such places and watching this scares me.
And I have to agree with Rommel! I’ve heard of so many politicians and other high ranking government officials frequenting strip bars!
Just be careful sisters!
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Nakakasuka na ang mga ganitong uri ng palabas sa telebisyon - Imbestigador, MGB at kung ano pang palabas na nagpapanggap na para sa katotohanan. Bakit wala silang isinasagawang entrapment para mahuli ang mga pulitikong nangungurakot,tumatanggap ng lagay, mga mayayamang negosyanteng may-ari ng planta ng shabu, at iba pang mga bigatin. Napansin niyo bang lahat ng mga planta ng shabu ay wala ng tao kapag na-raid?
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There is no one else to blame but simply the bar owner. The whole situation is not necessarily a question of sexual orientation, gayness or what not, but rather a question of legality. He was operating a business without any appropriate liscense. The owner is at fault for first of all victimizing individuals; patrons and “performers” alike who knew nothing better. He saw the need to make profit but he employed individuals who may otherwise don’t really have much choice of how else to make a living. The journalist shouldn’t be blame for any of this either. I don’t think homosexuality was the reason of why it was presented, nor that the gay community was singled out in this issue. I agree it isn’t right to publicly humiliate the patrons who were there. However, I don’t necessarily agree with Dan Remoto for expressing that “it is not a healthy way of expressing your sexuality”. What is healthy anyways? If people watch porn on tv or the internet, what makes watching a live show different? The bottom line is, the law is law and no one is above it. Yes, I understand there are others like politicians, drug pushers or makers and what have you that does illegal activities but it shouldn’t give anybody any reason to start their own. If we keep making excuses of “their doing it so why can’t we” where are not helping ourselves. Besides, this incident and what the bar owner created doesn’t uplift the image of the LGBT community. It brings a bad image towards us and it gives other closeted gay people to think harder about coming out.
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i dont get it. i dont really know if i should get pissed with the man who divulged everything or what. the reason for this is that, so what if they where having live shows or sex or whatever? on straight scenes, they do this, but have you seen someone who goes into the bar and makes a police report about it because he/she was shocked with the sexuality of the place? oh come on people. let’s not be hypocrites here. im not saying that we all want man-meat or what, but we all know these things are happening around us. and as long as there isn’t any minors or anyone being abused (this is subjective) we better leave em alone. as for moral issues, i think what is morally correct is subjective to every individual. what may be moral to you may not be moral for me… and the sort. why didnt he just back out and shut his mouth and vow never to return? on this premise, should we then ban chatrooms and text messages, or webcams, and networking sites because they are promoting sexual acts? individuals are responsible for their actions. the only difference here is that we have someone who serves as the ringmaster, orchestrating the venue and the show. on the business transaction part, there is always an excuse, we can treat like a pitch in. friends pitch in to afford a show. that’s it.
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Imbistigadora y pakielamera pa.
Pansin yan programa, KaSing laki ng ilong nya ang galit sa mga Gay at macho dancers.
often yan mga gay bars, gay saloon, gay club, pinagpupuna lagi. dami pang mga side comments na anti Gay. Is Mr. Rnriquez a homophobic???
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whos mike enriquez? nbi does not have any business with this kind of private gathering!
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@krstr: what’s with the anger, hostility and condescension? chill man, it is just my opinion (you can take it or leave it) and i’m not even attacking anybody else’s. readers here have diverse opinions yet refrain from attacking others. i’m fully aware of the enormous problems of this country but my opinion is not about them (poverty, corruption, government responsibilities, theft and journalistic killings as you mentioned). this topic is not about these problems. you completely missed the point. so why castigate me? i’m not even addressing my opinion to the gays alone but to the society as a whole. my point is; if we want to change the human condition, it is possible to start the change from within ourselves first.
even without knowing anything about me, you made it look like i’m this inept, ignorant and uncaring person. i am not that person. believe it or not, but i am actually capable of formulating an opinion based on experience, knowledge and humanist principles. you are welcome to express your opinion but learn to respect others’ as well, especially those that differ from yours. your arguments are valid on a different context but they are a total misrepresentation of what i said.
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ung iba kasing PLUs ang hilig mag-discriminate e pare-pareho lang naman e.
kaya ung na-reject nag-revenge.
ano nangyari sa mga kagandahan nyo???
aun na-expose sa whole wide world.
at least di na mahirap mag-out.
let the video speak for itself.
heheheheh
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We need to look at this issue from an objective standpoint. Are dark rooms even legal and allowed? Just because it has been enclosed to the public doesn’t mean it has been privatized. It still remains to be a public place. And in public place, any act of lasciviousness is not allowed. Just imagine if this little city had little dark rooms all around, what would happen. The issue of two gay men who fall in lust for each other is another topic altogether. The issue here is simple, dark rooms are not motel rooms. Your urge for sex should be brought to the right place and not be executed just anywhere you feel like it. If you decide to do it in a public place, I think that’s what you call exhibitionism. Some people find delight in performing in places. And while others find even more delight watching. Others will also find delight if they can steal a partner away. Think of this whole process like a show. The guy who puts the best show gets the most pride. And the bar owners provide permissibility for such shows. They are more liable for de-criminalizing these acts and consenting such behavior. In the end, the ignorant, the lustful and the attention-seekers provide legitimacy to such behaviors. We know that small crimes and big crimes are crimes, whether it’s a social crime or a physical crime. But crimes to morality, they are the worst kind.
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it’s a pure weakness on the part of those who legislated and passed the law on human trafficking. it’s also the negligence of the gay community for allowing such law to be part of the legal framework without fully understanding the implication that somehow it will be use against PLU’s someday. The gay community should unite together with the support of other sector in flushing out laws that discriminate against LGBT.We should strengthen our rights under this government.
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I think Imbestigador has nothing more to cover.
There is nothing new to this. It’s a fact that gays enjoy this kind of entertainment.
I also think that venues like this are called illegal if they ask for payment without proper documents to show like lisence to permit.
Kasi bottom line, kailangan makinabang ang gobyerno sa kita ng tao…O minsan kahit pulis kailangan bigyan ng lagay.
Pero, if this is just a private party without money involved, then they are allowed to do so. Bahay naman nila yan…
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so sad
http://www.mckhoii.com
T_T
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wee, hypocrisy at its finest!
who are we to judge which is moral and which is not?
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its not about whats moral or im… well.. the law is the law…. wala syang permit.. he was running an illegal operation… the owner of the house (business) was breaking the law. queber na private residence.. even worse.. who is he fooling? playing dumb na hinde niya alam,, alam niya. it was not a private party amongst friends.. theres obviously a cover charge.
If your next door neighbor starts this sort of operation in your neighborhood..gay or str8.. wouldnt you appreciate it if the NBI shut it down? i know i would.
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you guys are so quick to play the DISCRIMINATION card.. how is what happened discrimination? If the operation was for a str8 clientelle.. it would be just as illegal..
ang hinde ko lang nagustuhan was how Mike Enriquez sensationalised the entire thing..e.g, when they found the stack of porn videos, he said, “may nahanap na malalaswang video..” something like that.. he should have just said ADULT videos. Its not his job to have an opinion or moral judgement on the videos,. but just to report that they male adult videos were found on the site..
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the human trafficing law protects us all..our sisters, brothers… the comment on how the law never shoulve been passed is dumb.
these guyts were not just chiipendale style strippers.. they were sex workers.
Why should the gay community be exempt from the law?
If the house down the block starts an operation like this with female sex workers, with men coming in and out at all hours of the night… with no business permit.. wouldnt it be RIGHT to shut it down?
Why should the LAW be any different for us?
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1) Agree ako na nauubusan na nga ng mga istoryang puedeng ma-cover ang Imbestigador.
On one hand, the fact that it was a live gay show that they raided is immaterial because nare-raid din naman ang mga straight na “live show” at naipapalabas din naman sa tv. Nagkataon lang na they chanced upon this one, and it happened to be all-male.
But if my info is correct (iniiwasan kong manood ng Imbestigador; bumabaligtad ang sikmura ko pag nakikita ko si Mike Enriquez at pag naririnig ko ang boses nya, nangingilo ang mga ngipin ko), this is the first time that Imbestigador covered something like this (a gay live show) and this brings me to the other hand, that it was precisely because it was a gay live show that they featured it.
Let’s face it, gays make money for any show, whether in a negative or a positive light. And when it’s negative, the networks see it as another great opportunity to exploit for the delight of the religiously self-righteous who will grab at any chance to once more damn our “deviant” gay asses to hell. And the more people talk about it, no matter how uninformed their opinions may be, the better it is for the show’s ratings.
Nevertheless, walang pinag-iba ang Imbestigador sa Bitag, at walang pinag-iba si Mike Enriquez kay Raffy Tulfo. Pareho silang pangit, mayabang at walang respeto sa karapatang pang-tao, lalo na sa mga bading. As if may mga career sila kung wala ang mga bading sa paligid nila.
2) Hindi kinaya ng powers ko ang sinabi ni Danton Remoto. I don’t know if it was just another deliberate case of editing, that what he said was the answer to another question, or if he really said it to describe to the whole concept of the gay live show.
Whatever the case, he should be reminded of his book of essays, “Gaydar,” where he says that gays in the Philippines have been “forced into darkness by a society that despises them”.
Okay, tama rin naman siya when he said that the gay live show in question is illegal because of the money changing hands. I mean, obviously, it was treated as a business; the performers were paid to have sex for and with the customers who paid to get in, complete with membership cards and claim stubs for their belongings, not to mention the drinks which were obviously not free.
But who is expressing their sexuality in a way that is not healthy? The performers who would probably do something else if they were less economically-challenged? Or the customers who would probably not resort to patronizing the live shows if they were “legally” afforded access to the entertainment that they prefer?
Let me just end by saying that despite the vibrant colors of the rainbow flag, here in our country, sexually-active gay men like me are still forced to express their sexuality in the dark, which is ironic because darkness is mostly used as a backdrop for scenes in horror movies.
We could only give vent to our longings in the darkness of parks, movie theaters, gay spas, bath houses and residences-turned-gay-live-sex-show-venues, because that is where this hypocritical society has driven us to be. (Paraphrased from the words of Danton Remoto in “Gaydar”)
Hmph.
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I think Danton is right. We have other ways to express our sexuality: through movies, music, join the gay pride march, books… Hiring boys to have sex in front of a paying crowd is against the law. Even for heterosexuals. You can call it or compare it with anything you like but in the end it’s still about the money paid for in exchange of watching live sex and everybody in that room surely were aware it was against the law. They were humiliated and that’s really not nice. But from the start, that was a risk and a consequence everybody there knew about and still they took it.
Some of us only try to defend that this whole thing wasn’t wrong because they support and benefit from such events. We want equality, right? Then we should follow the same rules.
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So what then is the healthy way of expressing sexuality? Are people in this society ready to open their minds to a male couple kissing in public? Holding hands? Having dinner together? In a jungle as judgmental as this, where you cant even walk with your significant other without hearing remarks about your sexuality, I dont think life will be easier for people like us, and until time allows us to live without risking public humiliation and outright discrimination, activity like this might still go on, in places free of sexual scrutiny and daggers of judgment. Its no body’s fault. We are all victims. The one who pays and the one getting paid. The one who sells and the one who buys. We are just humans and like any other wound in the society or in our individuality, It will take time to heal and some getting use to. Its not just about law. It is not just about what’s not suppose to happen, sometimes it is about what’s happening. I am not pro live shows,but admittedly I want to see one. I am not pro prostitution, but admittedly I would like to try getting one. I am not pro homosexual exploits but admittedly I do it sometimes. Because I am just human. Like any other self righteous T.V personality in the world, We have weakness. Get rid of it or live with with it.Point is we have noone to blame.
Peace out.
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kabaklaan na nga,unlawful pa!
redundant!
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straight couples kiss, hold hands and show affection in public. and yet live sex shows of straight couples are still against the law and being raided and exposed by such shows. the expose was not really against homosexuals. it was generally against an unlawful practice. nobody’s perfect, that’s true. that’s why we have laws - to keep things in order.
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pakealam ng imbestigador sa mga activities ng mga bading!! wala na ba silang maimbestiga at pati yung kabadingan e pinapakealaman!! gusto kasi nyang si mike enriquesz na laging nasa tv ang mukha niyang kasuka-suka!! ang baduy pa ng tono ng boses niya magreport! pangit siya kaya dapat wala sa tv screen ang mukha niya!!
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Is it hard to practice such in a very private places?, sometimes yung mga kagaya natin ang gumagawa ng mga ikapapahamak nila. We cannot blame these Law enforcers kasi ito naman talaga ang trabaho nila. Kaya sa mga sumasalungat think again. I hope this incident (the raid) will not occur again.
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AY ANG GAGO.PRIVATE PARTY NGA EH.Bachelorettes can hire man-whores pero badettes can’t?ezzzzzcuzzze mehhh!
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akala ko ba we badings want to be treated with equality? so why should we have special treatment.. its against the law what that guy did.. gay or str8. Its not discrimination against us at all.
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Too bad nalagay sa ganun situation ang mga kalahi.What is so disgusting is the way the NBI agents treated the people inside that private house.They were mere spectators not hoodlums or criminals.Why the hell were the NBI agents pointing their guns at them???
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Sobra sobra lang talaga ang ginawang pagbabalita ni Imbestigador. Nakakainis pa naman ang tono ni Mike Enriquez pag nagbabalita. Lalo na ang kanyang hitsura na nakakasuka ang mukha. Sana palitan na sya ng GMA7. Bwiseeeett!
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IT’S CHEAP…NUFF SAID…
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There’s no question as to what the owner of the house did was illegal or not. There’s no question as to he should be punished or not. The issue is more than just the legality (or in this case, illegality) of the “enterpirse”.
We all know what the real issue is. It’s because it’s GAY, and more than that, GAYS having SEX. Two ideas that many Filipinos would rather not talk about. GAY and SEX: two words that most Filipinos probably don’t wanna use in the same sentence, much less,hear about.
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I agree with Danton. Although I don’t agree with Mike Enriquez’s tone in reporting the issue. Malisyoso, nangungutya at insinuating. Ang madalas na problema sa IMBESTIGADOR ay “guilty” na agad ang accused. Ano man ang kaso… ganito laging ang tone of reporting ni Mike sa Imbestigador — malisyoso.
Sana huwag nang i-sensationalize ang report. Ang cheap kasi ng dating. Tabloid na tabloid. Coming from GMA News and Public Affairs, I am very very disappointed in this kind of reporting.
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oo nga ewan ko ba sa mga tao na yan kala mo kung sinong mga malilinis.. d naman sila pinakikialaman isa pa private naman ‘yon talangang unfair sa mga PLUs
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How hypocritical of Danton Remoto to say it is an unhealthy expression of one’s sexuality. Palagi ko nga siyang kasama noon sa Cine Cafe si Danton. At sa mga iba pang dark rooms sa Manila.
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I know this is a delayed comment, but there are certain facts one needs to know in this report of Imbestigador:
1. Normally this type of anti-gay reports came from gay themselves who felt they were wronged (remember the raids they did a couple of years ago in cinemas & massage parlors - all because of a disgruntled gay patron(s); who work for GMA)
2. Mike Enriquez is a die hard CCF man - almost everyone in GMA7 is, a group which is totally anti-gay(sorry I hear it in the office most of the time). Plus he cant be removed from Imbestigador, he is a VP in GMA, in short - POWERFUL.
3. To get a quote from Mr. Denton Remoto- the wrong person, since he never was & will never be a good representative of GLBT (come one - campaigning in the most lewd manner! does that represent the GLBT community?) is a total miscarriage of justice.
4. Just a follow-up to my number #1: They target also straight-brothels, again with the same MO - a disgruntled GMA worker or their so-called informant revealing this & this operation, add the “panlalait skills” of Mr. Enriquez & boom - instant report/rating.
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we enter such places under the premise that we are mature individuals aware of the repercussions of such act.it’s our right to patronize such establishments, however we have the social obligation to shelter the minors from having thwarted perceptions as well.. and the media is not helping at all.
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kung tutuusin di xa expose. marami sa maynila ang ganito. wala lang mapalabas ang show na yan kaya pinatulan to. pathetic.
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